Sept. 11, 2020

Nashville's Sister City

Nashville's Sister City

Host Jakob Lewis, a Nashville citizen, goes to Magdeburg Germany to see where the rubber meets the road for Sister Cities' idealistic vision to “promote peace one individual, one community at a time.”

In the historic city of Magdeburg, Germany, there is a “Johnny Cash”-themed country music festival called Nashville Days – complete with corn dogs and cowboy hats. This is one of the fruits of the sister city relationship between Nashville and Magdeburg. Host Jakob Lewis, a Nashville citizen, goes to Magdeburg to see where the rubber meets the road for Sister Cities' idealistic vision to “promote peace one individual, one community at a time.” If you’ve been to Germany, Magdeburg probably isn’t the first city that comes to mind when you to think of cosmopolitan cities. Yet for the past 15 years, Magdeburg has developed a great relationship with its sister city Nashville through the Sister Cities International program. For The Big Pond, Jakob Lewis traces the origins of the sister cities back to the aftermath of World War II as a means to (re)connect former adversaries. Or, as Joel Dark, the Nashville chair of the Nashville-Magdeburg partnership puts it: “The concept is to build a local-to-local relationship so that international relations [are] not reduced to just relationships between governments and their agendas but can be a relationship really between people.” At a time when the US’ general tone for diplomacy has shifted, what does Sister Cities’ idealistic vision of peace really look like? Does it actually make a difference? Is it just a glorified trip club where well-to-do folks can drink wine in another country? Or is it the key to world peace? Listen to find out more. This story was produced in 2018 as part of the The Big Pond series with the Goethe-Institut, and the Year of German American Friendship 2018/2019 under the motto “Wunderbar Together”. Special thanks to Rosie Forrest for editing this story. Thanks Rosie! You can join “The Neighborhood” along with these wonderful, thoughtful, generous people by becoming a patron at Who’s in “The Neighborhood”: Allison Sebastian, Adrian Cobb, Nathalie Stewart, Ben Lehman, Caroline Martin, Clark Buckner, Cody Spriggs, Dan Burns, Em Vo, Eric Detweiler, Gina, Griffin Bonham, Heather Price, John Kesling, Landon Rives, Marc Kochamba, Patrick Black, Patrick Gillis, Ray Ware, Ryan Arnett, Samuel Adams, Tom and Rachel Kraft, Nikki Black, Hunter and Bonnie Moore, Newton Dominey, Bea Troxel, Craig and Brenda Burns, Laurel Dean, Travis Hall, Clark Hill, Tony Gonzalez, Christopher Mastin and my mom Tonya Lewis (thanks mom!) Visit our website at Leave us a review on Apple Podcasts because writing one on the bathroom stall of a Waffle House would be less helpful, though more intriguing. Music from the Blue Dot Sessions, Dan Burns and Podington Bear. Our sonic logo at the beginning of the episode is by Dallas Taylor’s company Defacto Sound. Dallas makes a podcast about sound called Twenty Thousand Hertz listen at

Rüdiger Koch: [00:00:00] Happy, warm greetings to all the friends in Nashville. I'm, um, I think I will go to Nashville within the next, uh, two or three years.

Jakob Lewis: [00:00:22] Ok.

Rüdiger Koch: [00:00:22] I come back to my, my second home city, Nashville is.

Jakob Lewis: [00:00:26] I'm going to try, I want to try to be more in the loop with all the Magdeburg stuff so maybe I'll see you.

Rüdiger Koch: [00:00:31] Okay. Okay. I give you my card.

Jakob Lewis: [00:00:33] Okay. Danke.

Cariad Harmon: [00:00:44] So, who is that?

Jakob Lewis: [00:00:45] So, this is me talking to a guy named Rüdiger Kochj.

Cariad Harmon: [00:00:49] Okay.

Jakob Lewis: [00:00:49] Um, we were at this really cool bar in a small former East German city called Magdeburg.

Cariad Harmon: [00:00:54] Uh, huh.

Jakob Lewis: [00:00:55] Rüdiger, in fact, used to be the mayor of Magdeburg.

Cariad Harmon: [00:00:58] Ooh la la!

Jakob Lewis: [00:00:58] Super interesting guy, um, and has really important ties to Nashville, uh, which basically the reason I was there is I was doing some reporting in Germany for this thing called the Goethe Institut because Magdaberg is one of Nashville's sister cities.

Cariad Harmon: [00:01:14] Okay, so, um, tell me what is a sister city?

Jakob Lewis: [00:01:18] Well, I mean, you can kind of guess the generalities there, but we will get into that in great detail later. I promise.

Cariad Harmon: [00:01:24] Okay.

Jakob Lewis: [00:01:25] But I first, before we get there, I want to tell you about a crazy coincidence that happened to me this week that involves our sister city of Magdeburg.

Cariad Harmon: [00:01:34] Okay. Well, I love coincidences. So go ahead. Tell me.

Jakob Lewis: [00:01:39] Well, okay. So, like on our website, we have this itty bitty little contact button that nobody can see, and nobody ever uses, they always reach out some way, some way, other way. Anyway, somebody clicked that and contacted us, uh, via that. And, uh, I got this email.

Cariad Harmon: [00:01:56] Exciting!

Jakob Lewis: [00:01:57] And I'm just going to read this email in its entirety.

Cariad Harmon: [00:01:59] Okay.

Jakob Lewis: [00:02:00] Here it goes. It says...

Cariad Harmon: [00:02:01] Okay.

Jakob Lewis: [00:02:01] "Knock, knock Neighbors, Winky face emoji."

Cariad Harmon: [00:02:04] Cute.

Jakob Lewis: [00:02:05] "Hi, every time I am in the situation to refresh my English language, it's not my really mother tongue. This is German. I am 43 years and I live in Magdeburg, Germany."

Cariad Harmon: [00:02:18] No way!

Jakob Lewis: [00:02:19] And then it goes on to say, "you know, Magdeburg, it's a sister, city of Nashville. Magdeburg is the capital of Saxony-Anhalt."

Cariad Harmon: [00:02:27] And you're like, "I know all about Magdeburg."

Jakob Lewis: [00:02:31] Yes! And it gives like some basic like Wikipedia information about Magdeburg. Uh, and then here's the meat of the thing it says, "that brings me to the reason why I'm writing you. The best thing to do is listening, writing, and speaking.

So I used the internet and I found your podcast. Listening and reading sounds good. That brings to a request, perhaps, you know, 'a neighbor' in quotes in Nashville, which is interested in to write mail letters with me so I can train my English skills. And on the other side, I can answer in German?"

Uh, this is my first step to your door, neighbor. The next step is yours. I would be happy in case that you answer me. Thank you for reading. Best greetings from the other side of the pond." And it's signed "Ingo". I N G O.

Cariad Harmon: [00:03:19] That is so cool. I love it. So what are you going to do?

Jakob Lewis: [00:03:25] Yeah, it is kind of, yeah. I feel like it's really courageous, too.

Cariad Harmon: [00:03:29] Yeah, totally.

Jakob Lewis: [00:03:29] I immediately was like, "yes". I gave a stranger on the internet my address, and hopefully, uh, that turns out well.

Cariad Harmon: [00:03:39] So many strangers on the internet have my information.

Jakob Lewis: [00:03:44] Uh, but I guess we're pen pals now.

Cariad Harmon: [00:03:46] Uh, huh.

Jakob Lewis: [00:03:47] Um, and I, and I think for me, it's like, what are the chances? Because, Magdeburg, sister city of Nashville. The only reason I know that is because the only big reporting trip I've ever done was going to Magdeburg as an official delegate from Nashville.

Cariad Harmon: [00:04:04] Yeah.

Jakob Lewis: [00:04:04] And so I'm just super stoked.

Cariad Harmon: [00:04:07] Yeah, it's crazy.

Jakob Lewis: [00:04:07] It's too kismet a perfect segue into learning all about sister cities and the sister city relationship between Nashville and Magdeburg. So let's go ahead and get started. I'm Jakob Lewis.

Cariad Harmon: [00:04:18] And I'm Cariad Harmon.

Jakob Lewis: [00:04:19] And you are listening to Neighbors.

Cariad Harmon: [00:04:21] A show about what connects us. Today we travel across the pond where Ingo is from and learn just what the heck a sister city is and how cultural exchange is full of both problems and joys.

Jakob Lewis: [00:04:36] Just a quick note. This piece originally aired as part of the Big Pond series for the Goethe Institut in the year of German-American friendship in 2018 and 2019 under the motto "Wunderbar Together".

Heinrich Doc Wolf: [00:04:50] And, um, and then he did, [sings] “I hear that train is coming, it’s rolling down the bend. And I ain’t seen no sunshine since I don’t know when.”

Jakob Lewis: [00:05:02] This is a large booming man wearing a leather vest and smoking a pipe. His name is Heinrich Doc Wolf, and he’s essentially the Johnny Cash of Germany.

Heinrich Doc Wolf: [00:05:12] [sings] “But I’m stuck in Folsom Prison, and time keeps dragging along.” And so, he wrote that here, and his career is quite bound to Germany.

[“Ring of Fire” by Johnny Cash performed live at Nashville Days]

Jakob Lewis: [00:05:28] I’m at a country music festival called Nashville Days. Only, I’m not in Nashville, Tennessee, which is where I’m from. But rather, I’m in a city in Germany called Magdeburg. The theme of Nashville Days this year is Johnny Cash. That means, I heard “Ring of Fire” played six times by six different German bands.

[“Ring of fire” playing in the background]

The festival is in an old Prussian fortress, complete with large brick vaulted-gothic arches. Outside, Heinrich Doc Wolf shows me his most prized possession: a massive red Cadillac he purchased in an auction from America.

Heinrich Doc Wolf: [00:06:06] Sure, yeah, you can sit in there.

Jakob Lewis: [00:06:08] Alright. Oh man, those big heavy doors.

This car used to belong to none other than Johnny Cash himself.

Wow, that smell. This is a boat. We call this a boat in America.

Heinrich Doc Wolf: [00:06:23] Yeah, it is a boat. We call American cars generally cruisers, yeah, like big ships, you know. Now if you touch that steering wheel, you touch Johnny Cash, [laughs] and your ass is on Johnny Cash’s seat. That’s rare, but it’s not really belonging to me. I’m just the caretaker, that’s how I feel.

Jakob Lewis: [00:06:54] This exchange in this car is exactly why I’m here. Not specifically to sit in Johnny Cash’s seat, but to have a person-to-person cultural exchange with someone from Magdeburg. That’s because Magdeburg is one of Nashville’s sister cities.

Joel Dark: [00:07:09] The concept is to build a local-to-local relationship so that international relations is not reduced to just relationships between governments and their agendas but can be a relationship really between people.

Jakob Lewis: [00:07:25] This is Joel Dark, he’s the chair of the Nashville-Magdeburg partnership, at least on the Nashville side. You may have heard of sister cities before, maybe your town has a few. I got to experience what at least one partnership is like and visit Magdeburg as part of an official delegation from Nashville. This whole idea of sister cities – the one that got me sitting in Johnny Cash’s car on the other side of the Atlantic – it started over here in Europe in the late 1940s.

Winston Churchill: [00:07:53] [in 1940]: This is your victory, victory of the cause of freedom.

Jakob Lewis: [00:08:04] So, Europe right after World War II was in a tricky spot. There were countries who shared a border that were vitriolic enemies one day and then with the flick of a pen the world was suddenly supposed to be at peace again. Countries lay in ruins on both sides. Must have been disorienting. So how were they supposed to move on? Well, one of the ways Europe took up the mammoth task of making peace was by reviving an old tradition known as twinning. One city from one country would pair up, or twin, with another city in another country. In the '50s Coventry, England twinned with Dresden, Germany. These were cities that lay in rubble because they bombed each other. But as twins they would exchange students and professionals, send citizen delegations. They intentionally got to know one another and tried their best to be friends. This was a radical act of peace and reconciliation, and the idea caught on well beyond Europe.

[Presidential march music]

In the mid '50s, President Dwight D. Eisenhower gave an address at the White House. This was for a conference on Citizen Diplomacy. He’s addressing America’s role in the world almost a decade after the end of World War II.

Dwight D. Eisenhower: [00:09:16] [in 1950]: The purpose of this meeting is the most worthwhile purpose there is in the world today. To help build the road to peace. If we are going to take advantage of the assumption that all people want peace, then the problem is for people to get together.

Jakob Lewis: [00:09:38] Eisenhower’s solution was to start an official program to twin towns together. The people-to-people program. It grew and eventually became known as Sister Cities International. You may have seen these partnerships in towns you’ve lived in before. But what are they really?

Joel Dark: [00:09:53] Culture has been, probably the, and probably for the most sister cities, is the main point of connection, because that’s kind of what’s unique about a city.

Jakob Lewis: [00:10:03] Culture is where most of these partnerships begin. Sometimes there’s just one person in one city that has an affinity or affection for another part of the world and through friendships suggests a city. These partnerships really are people to people. Volunteers lead committees, plan trips and festivals. And typically, these exchanges fall into four lanes. One, cultural, that’s artist exchange programs, maybe a gallery swap or a cultural festival. Two, education. This is probably the real bread and butter of the sister cities program. High school and college students spend time in another country usually staying in host-family homes. The third lane is economic, business leaders from similar industries might have a summit to exchange current issues and breakthroughs. Trade partnerships might be fostered and certain types of growth encouraged. And the last typical path for a partnership is political. City officials can go over to learn about how each government functions and get ideas for initiatives to better their cities.

Now, I’ve lived in Nashville for ten years. And I can tell you, I had no idea we had a sister city. And in fact, we have seven. Cities in Canada and Ireland, Japan, Argentina. But the Magdeburg partnership is probably their most robust exchange.

Joel Dark: [00:11:20] The sister city relationship has existed for 15 years. So, in some ways the timing of your story is really good, because we are kind of at a juncture where we’re thinking the last 15 years has been amazing, and what can the next 15 years look like.

Jakob Lewis: [00:11:40] Every sister city partnership is different, but I’ll tell you the story of how this one developed. Joel says the Magdeburg relationship started because of an interest from a lawyer, a tall broad-shouldered American fellow with white hair named Doug Berry.

Doug Berry: [00:11:55] Some guys in my fraternity had gone to Germany on an exchange program, told me they had a good time, and I said, “oh, I want to do that”, so that was my impetus, I sort of fell in love with the language and culture.

Jakob Lewis: [00:12:05] Doug is the former president of Sister Cities in Nashville. He went on several trips to Germany as a young man.

Doug Berry: [00:12:11] Did a tour, and this is sort of how we got to Magdeburg, we did a tour of Germany as a fellow of the John J. McCloy Foundation, where I went for the first time to the former East Germany. Magdeburg you understand is in the former East Germany.

Jakob Lewis: [00:12:24] Later, in the early 2000s, as Doug became president of Sister Cities in Nashville, he knew he wanted to partner with a German city.

Doug Berry: [00:12:31] I thought like a city in former East Germany would be more interesting culturally, and in every other way, so that’s what we did.

Jakob Lewis: [00:12:37] Even though the choosing is done through the non–profit of Sister Cities, to make it official the Nashville government had to agree. Documents were signed, government officials of Nashville got together with those from Magdeburg. And one of those on the Magdeburg side was their vice mayor, a guy named Rüdiger Koch. Doug Just calls him Roger.

Rüdiger Koch: [00:12:56] And the question is can we get the people together, not only for the mayors and for the politicians, but, too, for the people of both cities.

Jakob Lewis: [00:13:09] On the Nashville Sister Cities website, there’s a statement: ‘Sister Cities of Nashville connects the people of Nashville to people of the world, promoting peace through mutual respect, understanding, and cooperation – one person, one community at a time.’

Dwight D. Eisenhower: [00:13:25] That leads directly toward what we all want: a true and lasting peace. Thank you very much.

Doug Berry: [00:13:35] Anyway, it’s a pretty idealistic, I would say the goals of the organization are very idealistic, and I think that’s a good thing, I don't have a, I’m over my cynical phase.

[Presidential music ending]

Jakob Lewis: [00:13:51] At a time when America’s general tone for diplomacy has shifted, what does Sister Cities’ idealistic vision of peace look like really? Does it actually make a difference? Is it just a glorified trip club where well-to-do folks can drink wine in another country? Or is it the key to world peace?

Well I went to Magdeburg with my wife to find out. And once over there we took a train. Germany is full of trains, and just like in New York or Chicago, there are street musicians entertaining passersby [accordion music] . Now, these aren’t free-ride trips, you typically have to pay your way there, which we did. but they try to make sure that your expenses are minimal once you’re in the host city through home stays and just general hospitality. That established network of hospitable friends is one way Sister Cities is different than just going to another country as a regular tourist.

Joel Dark: [00:14:49] There needs to be some substance to it, and I do think this is a problem with some sister-city relationships is that if a city does it only to, you know, to have a sister-city partnership or for the mayor and other city officials to have travel opportunities, it can be superficial. I don’t think any of Nashville’s sister-city relationships are superficial at this point, but we have had sister-city relationships that at least for a period of time, more or less, existed on paper.

Jakob Lewis: [00:15:25] It’s the citizens that are responsible for making these partnerships substantial: the attention given, the creativity of the programs devised, and the fidelity to maintaining ties. That all takes time to develop. My trip over there couldn’t have been more perfectly timed.

Magdeburg was having a summit of sorts. A few days full of creative programming. They called it their twinning conference. All of Magdeburg’s sister cities would be there to discuss various civic issues and exchange ideas.

You said, how many sister cities?

Uwe Zachert: [00:15:55] Magdeburg has seven sister cities throughout the world.

Jakob Lewis: [00:15:58] This is Uwe Zachert, He was basically my fixer while I was there in Magdeburg.

Uwe Zachert: [00:16:02] I am responsible at the mayor’s office for all sister-cities relationships here of the city of Magdeburg.

Jakob Lewis: [00:16:10] What are they?

Uwe Zachert: [00:16:11] In Europe, it’s Le Havre in France, Radom in Poland, Zaporizhia in Ukraine, and Sarajevo in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and Brunswick in Germany. That’s kept from the former times when Germany was still divided. And at the end of the '80s, they started to establish sister-city partnerships between the two German states, and so Magdeburg became the sister city of Brunswick in December 1987.

Jakob Lewis: [00:16:47] The two other sister cities outside of Europe are Nashville, obviously, and Harbin, China. Harbin had a large art exhibition opening during the conference. [Chinese music playing] Inside a large concrete Magdeburg TV station, there were Chinese dancers. A photography and painting exhibit lined the tall concrete walls called “Brücken fremder Flüsse”. That’s German for bridges of foreign rivers. During the formal introduction of the exhibit, there was a station with different headsets where you could listen to what people from Germany and China were saying in your own language. I think, the fact that this was even offered highlights one of the best aspects of Sister Cities. All the effort and programming that goes into intentionally getting people from different backgrounds, cultures, and places talking, and listening, sharing art. And there’s nothing like Chinese food and German beer to unite a crowd.

Harold: [00:17:44] Harold [tour guide]: And you can call me Harold if you want. We will start in a minute, throughout the city of Magdeburg, a touristic tour.

Jakob Lewis: [00:17:52] I’m on a double-decker bus with delegates from Magdeburg’s other sister cities.

[Harold talking to crowd in background]

It’s a mild fall day. Several trains run through the heart of the city. We pass an open-air market in a town square. Cyclists and pedestrians meander along the Elbe River. I noticed that Magdeburg has a different sense of time than Nashville does. You can see the long arc of history here. Ancient Cathedrals, next to former East German buildings.

This tour seems important for two reasons: One, in order to understand the people of a place it helps to know their history. And two, one of the real-world things that Magdeburg is gleaning from Nashville is the power of the City Brand to attract tourists. Nashville’s brand is “Music City,” a massive and very intentional effort based in our city’s history that has worked out quite well. Nashville attracts almost 15 million visitors a year. Magdeburg is thinking about its brand, and one of the city’s names is the City of Otto, O-t-t-o. That’s because of two very important figures in its history.

Harold: [00:18:59] Around the tenth century – from the ninth to the tenth century – we had a very important ruler here called Otto the Great, or Otto the First. He was the first Roman Saxonian Caesar and wanted to make Magdeburg a third Rome. He became Caesar because he defeated the Hungarians. He was crowned Caesar in Rome in 962, and the following years were very prosperous for Magdeburg. It became a very important medieval town.

Jakob Lewis: [00:19:31] But Magdeburg’s history is one of repeated devastation. It never quite became a third Rome. It was a wealthy medieval city full of merchants at one time. They even built the first Gothic cathedral in the country here. But that cathedral was the center of one of Magdeburg’s most important and terrible events. During the Protestant reformation, that Catholic cathedral converted to Protestantism. A century later, the Thirty Years War broke out in Europe. This was a conflict between Catholics and Protestants. And Magdeburg did not fare so well.

Harold: [00:20:05] You should not remember, or you need not remember, any other date that I tell you but please remember the 10th of May in 1631. Catholic troops came here to conquer Magdeburg. There was a long siege, about three months. In the end, they managed to invade into the city, set the city on fire, kill about 25,000 people. Only 5,000 people survived in the cathedral, and when they went away, only 250 people were left in the city. So, Magdeburg didn’t exist any longer. And it never recovered, really, from that incident in May 1631.

Jakob Lewis: [00:20:47] And it was at this time in history where the second great Otto, O-t-t-o, of Magdeburg’s history comes in. A guy named Otto von Guericke. There’s a statue of him right outside the hotel where I’m staying. He was an engineer, scientist, inventor, beer-brewer. A real renaissance man. Literally. He was the city alderman at the time of this attack. He fled the city and then came back to it in ruins. Amidst a decimated population he was elected Mayor. He used his engineering background to rebuild the city, which became re–populated with protestant refugees from Belgium and France. His interest in engineering and science led him to demonstrate a recent scientific understanding he had discovered. This would later become important to the sister-cities relationship between Nashville and Magdeburg.

Joel Dark: [00:21:35] Well, it’s kind of amazing, Otto von Guericke, to demonstrate that the atmosphere wasn’t just a void, he removed the air from two metal hemispheres.

Jakob Lewis: [00:21:49] Alright, picture two copper halves of a sphere, one of them has a valve on it. Otto uses a pump to suck out all the air. And you have a vacuum. The two halves are stuck together. So, in a dramatic flair to really get his point across, he got a team of draft horses together.

Joel Dark: [00:22:06] And demonstrated that horses couldn’t pull them apart.

Jakob Lewis: [00:22:09] The crowd is amazed, and then Otto simply opens the valve, the air comes rushing back in, and he easily separates the two halves.

Rüdiger Koch: [00:22:17] And this experiment, I translocated it to Nashville.

Jakob Lewis: [00:22:24] This is Rüdiger Koch again, the former mayor of Magdeburg. He’s a short, smiley, man with grey hair and thick-rimmed glasses.

Rüdiger Koch: [00:22:31] And we, we got horses from around Nashville with the Tennessee walk.

Jakob Lewis: [00:22:36] If you can’t understand what he’s saying, he’s saying that they got Tennessee Walking horses, this is a certain type of horse trained to step a certain way.

Rüdiger Koch: [00:22:46] And we flew the hemispheres, we took the hemisphere to Nashville.

Jakob Lewis: [00:22:47] Did it work?

Rüdiger Koch: [00:22:54] It worked, they don’t separate, the horses, but they tried.

Joel Dark: [00:22:59] The draft horses pulling in both directions couldn’t separate these metal hemispheres.

Rüdiger Koch: [00:23:05] It was a great performance.

Joel Dark: [00:23:07] I mean, it was a festive kind of thing, with, you know, the Nashville mayor and the Magdeburg mayor remembering the historical Magdeburg mayor, Otto von Guericke.

Jakob Lewis: [00:23:22] Another real-world partnership between the towns came about because of the American Civil Rights movement. Now, in order to explain this connection, I think it’s helpful to continue our tour of Magdeburg.

Harold: [00:23:33] [tour guide] Everyone can understand me well?

Jakob Lewis: [00:23:35] Magdeburg finally recovered from their destruction at the time of Otto von Guericke, but it took several hundred years. Really until the early 1900s. Then Magdeburg was a boomtown, making heavy machinery in large plants and processing synthetic oil...which was really unfortunate for them when World War II came around.

Harold: [00:23:54] Magdeburg was a goal of the allied air bombers because there was so many heavy machinery in the street like tanks or other things, and the inner city, again, was destroyed up to 90%. Up to 90%.

Jakob Lewis: [00:24:11] After the war, Germany was split between the West and the East, Democratic and Socialist. And, in the late '80s, the people of East Germany began gathering for massive demonstrations -- protesting their socialist government, starting in Leipzig and spreading to Magdeburg. It was called “he Peaceful Revolution”, and it was one of the things that led to the fall of the Berlin Wall and the reunification of Germany.

Joel Dark: [00:24:35] And there really was inspiration that the protesters and demonstrators in, at that time East Germany, drew from the American Civil Rights Movement.

Jakob Lewis: [00:24:46] So, Nashville hosted a panel discussion in 2009. It was the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall. It was at the Nashville Downtown Library, where veterans of the Nashville civil-rights movement and veterans of the nonviolent demonstrations of East Germany got together and shared their stories.

Joel Dark: [00:25:03] To have people of that historical significance on stage, um, and to be translating for them, um, and facilitating a conversation is really, I would say, that’s, um, probably still, um, the high point of the, of the sister-city relationship, um, for me, when I think back over it.

Jakob Lewis: [00:25:31] Joel told me that hosting people in Nashville has an interesting effect. You start to see your own city through someone else’s eyes. What’s interesting is that happened to me at Nashville Days, the country music festival with the Johnny Cash of Germany, Heinrich Doc Wolf. When I first got there, I actually didn’t have my recorder, so I got out my phone to record my thoughts.

[recorded] : It’s hard to put into words, this place. I’m at the Magdeburg Nashville Days and what I’m noticing are a lot of cowboy hats. There are some confederate flags, which is really strange, but I think, I think innocent, but I’m not totally sure. They have a, um like, shooting gallery and that hammer thing where you have to hit the hammer, and it flies up and hits the bell. They’ve got an American hamburger, and they’re selling whisky like Jack Daniels and Bullets and Four Roses and Woodford Reserve, I saw a guy with a straight-up mullet.

I was in a caricature of Nashville. At first, I was a little disappointed, like “Oh, this is what you think of where I’m from?” But then I thought about, how two years ago, I went to Oktoberfest in Nashville. Drunk Southerners in Lederhosen yelling “Prost” while they drink beer out of big gulps. This suddenly seemed quite fair. As for the confederate flags – well, literally the first thing that happened at the festival involved that.

You see, the guy in charge of the festival was named Christian. He was my contact. So, when we first got there, we called him, and he told us to wait by the ticketing booth. He would meet us there. A few minutes later, a friendly, smiling, fellow barrels toward us holding a confederate flag. He says “Hallo”, in the way that most Germans do. Introduces himself, and then says “Excuse me” as he walks past us, and hangs up the flag on the ticketing booth.

Now, if you’re not from the states, the confederate flag is a controversial and divisive symbol. It’s a symbol of racism and slavery. Some people say it’s exclusively a symbol of American Southern heritage and pride, but many make the darker claim that it means both. So, straightening the top of the flag, Christian turns back toward us and says, “Is this right?” My wife and I had both just gotten off a long train ride and were so shocked and disoriented that I just nod and grunt out a very unconfident “Sure”.

A little while after Christian showed me around the festival, I emailed Joel, my contact in the U.S., and asked him if I should say anything. He advised me to tell Christian that he should take it down, but that this was a Nashville problem not a Magdeburg problem. He suggested many ways to make sure Christian didn’t feel bad about the misunderstanding.

Joel also pointed out that this was indeed a flag that Nashvillians have used in the past, and even the present, as a symbol of their identity. I called Christian and told him what the confederate flag means to many in the U.S., that it’s a symbol of white supremacy and racial oppression. Christian was clearly overwhelmed with all of his responsibilities at the festival and said, “Oh, I never heard of that, I’ll take it down.”

Later, when I got a chance to talk to Christian in person again, he elaborated. One of the vendors at the festival was selling cowboy hats, belt buckles, general country stuff. Christian told the vendor, he wanted to buy some southern flags to hang up to decorate the place. The man gave him three: an American flag, a Tennessee state flag, and a confederate flag. Joel pointed out that he’s never run across anything like this in twenty years, and that this just shows the importance of the partnership.

Joel Dark: [00:29:36] I mean, some of the discussions between, you know, people from Magdeburg and people from Nashville naturally have also been about things that are more problematic. And so although the idea of sister cities is idealistic, that doesn’t, I think, mean that it’s unrealistic.

Jakob Lewis: [00:30:00] It was funny how bringing my annoyance at not being able to get a glass of tap water anywhere in the country led to talking about the massive influx of refugees into Germany and the perception of refugees in America. That led to talking about Trump and Merkel, religion, the history of the Third Reich in Germany, and the lingering legacy of slavery in America. These were the real-world things that came up in an honest person-to-person exchange.

Joel Dark: [00:30:27] You know, most of sister cities is kind of unproblematically positive, but I think in the context of those connections, there’s also the possibility for deeper connection and deeper conversation.

Doug Berry: [00:30:46] I know when we had 9/11, shortly after, I remember some of the first calls I got to check on my well-being were from our friends in Magdeburg. I thought that was a good sign, just a sign that people care about you. There are things that have happened over the years, the Nashville floods, for example. The Magdeburg folks, a jazz band, a rather unruly and funny jazz group over there, raised three or four thousand dollars for the Nashville flood relief. And then we did the same thing, they had a flood, 2012 or 13, and we had a church service and raised money for them as well.

Jakob Lewis: [00:31:30] So, do Sister Cities work? I think yes, in small but meaningful ways, person to person. But here’s the thing – those interactions, they add up. Nashville has six other sister cities, all full of examples of the power of intentional exchange. And those places, most of them, have several other sister cities of their own, and a person-to-person exchange suddenly looks bigger in a way that spreads all over the planet. And sometimes even the most basic of stereotypes can be broken down inside Johnny Cash’s car.

Heinrich Doc Wolf: [00:32:04] Germans think Americans always have that big hat, the Texan hat, yeah? And vice versa. You think everybody has these, uh, Lederhosen. [laughs]

[“Ring of Fire” playing]

Cariad Harmon: [00:32:50] Alright! More to come after the break.

Jakob Lewis: [00:32:57] Cariad, how you doing?

Cariad Harmon: [00:32:59] I'm doing pretty good, you know. I'm hanging in there. How are you?

Jakob Lewis: [00:33:04] Hi, I'm doing well. Is your, is your wrist and ankle all healed up?

Cariad Harmon: [00:33:09] Yes. They're doing good. My ankle is, I would say 99% better. And my wrist, I'm going to give it an 80. So, you know, I'm getting there. The wrist is a long haul. That's going to be like a year before I'm, before I'm back to as normal as it's going to get. Um...

Jakob Lewis: [00:33:27] Ouchies.

Cariad Harmon: [00:33:28] Yeah, I know, right? Yeah. If, if, if you can avoid shattering your wrist, I would definitely do that.

Jakob Lewis: [00:33:37] I have, I have a 100% track record of avoiding shattering my wrist.

Cariad Harmon: [00:33:41] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep it up.

Jakob Lewis: [00:33:44] So, so we've got a little prompt here today. Uh...

Cariad Harmon: [00:33:47] Okay.

Jakob Lewis: [00:33:47] And I'm going to ask it to you first. Tell me about a time when a neighbor took care of you or helped you. Or vice versa. Where you did, you did it to somebody else. Whatcha got?

Cariad Harmon: [00:33:59] Uh, okay. Well, we, um, have a lovely neighbor called Linda who, um, actually, fun fact, Linda's grandfather, she's from this area, and her grandfather actually built the house that we rent.

Jakob Lewis: [00:34:16] Oh wow!

Cariad Harmon: [00:34:17] And, um, she showed me a picture of her sitting on our porch, um, as, with her grandfather, when she was like three. It was super cute.

Jakob Lewis: [00:34:26] Oh, cool.

Cariad Harmon: [00:34:26] So, so her family still own the house next door. And so she, uh, moved back in there a couple of years ago and, um, she went away on vacation recently and she asked us to feed this little stray cat that she has been, um, feeding, uh, on her porch.

So we did that for her, um, for a few days while she was out of town and it is so sweet. She's so sweet. She looks after this, like, very elderly stray cat who has lost a bunch of hair and like one of its legs don't work. And it's so deaf that he can't hear you coming to put the food down and just kind of seems to live in her fenced-in yard area.

Um, and we had never met that cat before, and it was just so sweet that she takes care of him, um, and we were happy to help her with that. So, so that's a recent thing, uh, that, uh, that we did to help our neighbor Linda.  How about you?

Jakob Lewis: [00:35:31] Awesome. Well, I was going to tell a story about, basically how, um, people have taken care of us, uh, with cars.

So like I've never owned a new car. I've never had a car payment. We've always just paid cash for cars. And, um, recently, uh, because of some medical debt and various things, our son was in the hospital. Yada, yada. We just did not have a lot of money and we were having car troubles. And I just reached out casting a wide net to people I know, like, is anybody selling a car for cheap?

Um, and basically we got a response saying that there was somebody that was looking specifically to give away a car. For free. Um, and so it's a 2001, I believe, Suburban. Chevy Suburban. Giant thing. But it was given to us for free.

Cariad Harmon: [00:36:30] I've got to say you've got a way better neighbor story than I do.

Jakob Lewis: [00:36:36] Well, it was just like amazing.

Cariad Harmon: [00:36:38] I just fed this lady's cat, okay? I didn't get a free car.

Jakob Lewis: [00:36:44] It is. It is amazing. No, I agree. Like it is truly, truly, I mean, it was huge for us. But then, um, our other car was also on its way out. Um, and we had some dear, dear friends, sadly move to Virginia. Um, and they're moving in with family and that family has like nine cars at their, like, little compound out there or something.

And they were like, "Hey, why don't you just have our car?" Um, and so we were given in, in like the span of six months, two cars.

Cariad Harmon: [00:37:21] Dude, that's insane. That's insane. You have too many cars.

Jakob Lewis: [00:37:25] It is absolutely insane. And so, so we sold this other car that was on its way out for very little money. Um, and we're actually going to give away the suburban to somebody else, um, this week. So we, we're going back down to one car. Which is totally fine for my family. I work in the backyard anyway, at the studio, so, um, yeah.

So it's like, I dunno, there's something about, you know, this, like your neighbor, Linda, takes care of a cat, invites you into that. And often people think of that kind of thing as like a burden or a sacrifice, but it also, like, fosters and grows new relationships and new connections. And it's just, it's just good, um, to...

Cariad Harmon: [00:38:08] Yeah.

Jakob Lewis: [00:38:09] See a need, fill a need and, and, and, uh, connect with people. So.

Cariad Harmon: [00:38:15] Yeah, totally.

Jakob Lewis: [00:38:16] If you'd like to contribute your voice to the show and tell us how a neighbor has taken care of you, or you've taken care of a neighbor, you can do that two ways. You can record a voice memo on your phone and send it to Or we've got this new thing now just straight up on our website,

At the bottom, there's a little microphone. You just click on that, type in your name, and you can record straight through your computer, um, right there, and it goes  right, right, to, to me! It's great.

Cariad Harmon: [00:38:47] Just like magic.

Jakob Lewis: [00:38:49] So you can, uh, get your voice here on this here podcast. And, um, tell us your own story.

Cariad Harmon: [00:38:55] Thank you to the members of the neighborhood on Patreon.

If you want to support the show and help us tell stories about connecting to the humans around you, throw us a few bucks  at You can join our kind, intelligent, and thoughtful community there as well as get a few extra things.

Jakob Lewis: [00:39:17] Our Sonic logo is from Dallas Taylor and Defacto Sound check out his podcast. Twenty Thousand Hertz. Music is by Blue Dot Sessions. And this song is by Dan Burns. And lastly, I do want to thank, very special thanks to Rosie Forrest who helped me initially edit that Sister City story.

Cariad Harmon: [00:39:33] Neighbors is hosted and produced by me.

Jakob Lewis: [00:39:36] And me.

Cariad Harmon: [00:39:36] Leave us a review in Apple Podcasts because writing one on the bathroom stall at a Waffle House would be slightly less helpful. Although I do have to say, more intriguing.

Jakob Lewis: [00:39:46] Definitely. I'm Jakob Lewis.

Cariad Harmon: [00:39:48] And I'm Cariad Harmon.

Jakob Lewis: [00:39:50] And we're reminding you to get to know your neighbors.

Cariad Harmon: [00:39:52] ...get to know your neighbors.

Jakob Lewis: [00:39:53] Especially at a Waffle House. Take 'em to Waffle House. Get a cup of coffee and go to a Waffle House.